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Post by shoey109 on Nov 19, 2013 17:22:13 GMT -5
I was thinking the exact same thing, Will. How could the Germans, Brits, and French do such a thing?? So unhistorical!! But at least we both played our roles well!! The Polish was suppose to have a grudge match against the Germans. It turn out as a grudge match against your Italians. I never did like pasta. So it was about that bad tasting pasta in Italy. I saw allot of dead polish tanks. I did not see many dead French tanks. Was there a bribe perpetrated on the Polish by the French? That dame Temis. I just do not trust that Temis character. We have history. I love him and he loves me. This was pay back. Send my polish tanks forward and his French tanks live to see another day. Will |
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Post by antholin on Nov 19, 2013 18:28:13 GMT -5
The German high command recognizes the sacrifice of the heroic Italians. And we will carve out a mighty German empire with your memory always in our still beating hearts. It is with heavy heart that we will enjoy the fruits of this empire and reap the rewards of your hard earned march against the blood thirsty Polish.
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Post by FaithandFire on Nov 20, 2013 9:43:00 GMT -5
We still don't entirely trust our erstwhile allies in our Tripartite Alliance. In the end, you Germans will stomp on us after you have stomped on everyone else. And just how long will you and Japan be able to share world domintion? Command magazine (a wargaming magazine long since defunct) put out a great game on the Italian invasion of Ethiopia called Lion of Africa and followed that up with Tiger of Africa which was a variant of the eventual German/Italian defense of Ethiopia against a Japanese invasion as part of the eventual German/Japanese war after they had conquered everyone else.
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Post by kv1e on Nov 21, 2013 0:28:49 GMT -5
I was thinking the exact same thing, Will. How could the Germans, Brits, and French do such a thing?? So unhistorical!! But at least we both played our roles well!! The Polish was suppose to have a grudge match against the Germans. It turn out as a grudge match against your Italians. I never did like pasta. So it was about that bad tasting pasta in Italy. I saw allot of dead polish tanks. I did not see many dead French tanks. Was there a bribe perpetrated on the Polish by the French? That dame Temis. I just do not trust that Temis character. We have history. I love him and he loves me. This was pay back. Send my polish tanks forward and his French tanks live to see another day. Will Mon dieu!! so the foolish polish seek to alibi their miserable performance by blaming us. Who was it that decided to take their tin cans across the open was it it us? no it was the suicidal Poles who volunteered to lead the way. I would also point out that neither the Poles or the Italians suffered loses below 50%, only the British did, they had to take a company morale check. In any case so much for the myth that Will and I work well together. In all seriousness I would point out that the game may very well have turned on a major mistake of the rules. Jeff(M) bought Arnold Hubner as a Warrior for his 88's when the 88s got in trouble he claimed that Hubner got a warrior save which if he passed allowed the 88 to save. He had the rule printed out on his easy army list, partially he didn't include the last two line. He had. If the enemy Destroys Hubnerr(he is part of an 88 team) they roll a die: on a roll of 4+ Hubner is killed or seriously wounded and the team is destroyed, otherwise the German here the easy army printout ended . Jeff assumed that the rest of rule was that the 88 team was not destroyed, reasonable, but totally wrong. player may nominate any other 8.8cm flak36gun team within 6"15cm of Hubner as his new gun team. His original 8.8cm flak36gun team is destroyed Since both 88 gun teams were destroyed in the combat the result would have been both guns and Hubner(since there would have been no 88 for him to transfer to). destroyed. And nothing to stop the Matilda's from lumbering through the pass. This is not the first time recently I have seen people misapply warrior special rule. If you are going to use warriors make sure the you have a solid understanding of what they can do and do not depend on what easy easy army may or may not print out  |
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Post by FaithandFire on Nov 21, 2013 8:21:46 GMT -5
Have been there many times with the Italian Unsung Hero rule. The team (infantry, gun, tank) still dies and the hero transfers to another like team within command. That seems to be pretty much a constant in rules covering heros. It sucks when there is no other like team within command. Hmmm - with those 88s gone, it probably would only have been a matter of time before the Matildas ruled the roost over the southern half of the board provided you did not suffer from a sudden string of "1" die rolls from side shots from German tanks (followed by an assault by an Italian motorcycle gang. Something we could not have counted on happening.
Looks like we put an asterisk besides that Axis victory. Given the "war ends at 4PM" situation from Sunday that still may have not changed the final results since we probably could have still contested the objective (maybe) but longer term we would have been in big trouble!! Matildas Run Amok!!!!
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Post by kv1e on Nov 21, 2013 9:06:42 GMT -5
Have been there many times with the Italian Unsung Hero rule. The team (infantry, gun, tank) still dies and the hero transfers to another like team within command. That seems to be pretty much a constant in rules covering heros. It sucks when there is no other like team within command. Hmmm - with those 88s gone, it probably would only have been a matter of time before the Matildas ruled the roost over the southern half of the board provided you did not suffer from a sudden string of "1" die rolls from side shots from German tanks (followed by an assault by an Italian motorcycle gang. Something we could not have counted on happening. Looks like we put an asterisk besides that Axis victory. Given the "war ends at 4PM" situation from Sunday that still may have not changed the final results since we probably could have still contested the objective (maybe) but longer term we would have been in big trouble!! Matildas Run Amok!!!! Not a worry you can't can't change history, just whine about it latter. I should point out that the Matilda's do have a weakness, somewhat of an Achiles heel, they have no HE ammo(most/all British tanks with 2 and 6 pnd guns don't). Had the 88s been able to deploy there would not have been much I could have done to them except hope for a MG hit with a 6 FP or assault them. |
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Post by antholin on Nov 21, 2013 18:00:31 GMT -5
Well, Temis I do apologize. I thought I had the rules all printed out and had read them through. I will be more thorough on my next bout when using a hero. I certainly was not trying to cheat at the rules, or to make for a game with error's. I am sure that the Matilda's would have been able to create a lot more havoc, had they been on the board. Perhaps, we should have another battle to determine the proper victors. I'm sure that we could arrange for another session in the near future. Again, I am sorry about the warrior rules mishap with Hubner.
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Post by shoey109 on Nov 21, 2013 20:06:29 GMT -5
Well, Temis I do apologize. I thought I had the rules all printed out and had read them through. I will be more thorough on my next bout when using a hero. I certainly was not trying to cheat at the rules, or to make for a game with error's. I am sure that the Matilda's would have been able to create a lot more havoc, had they been on the board. Perhaps, we should have another battle to determine the proper victors. I'm sure that we could arrange for another session in the near future. Again, I am sorry about the warrior rules mishap with Hubner. Rematch any one? I am game. Will |
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Post by kv1e on Nov 22, 2013 5:40:21 GMT -5
Well, Temis I do apologize. I thought I had the rules all printed out and had read them through. I will be more thorough on my next bout when using a hero. I certainly was not trying to cheat at the rules, or to make for a game with error's. I am sure that the Matilda's would have been able to create a lot more havoc, had they been on the board. Perhaps, we should have another battle to determine the proper victors. I'm sure that we could arrange for another session in the near future. Again, I am sorry about the warrior rules mishap with Hubner. Jeff No need to apologize I didn't and don't think you were trying to cheat. When I got back to the bat cave and checked things out it was clear you had made a mistake and nothing else. My only point is that people who use Warriors need to understand just what they can and can not do. |
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Post by antholin on Nov 22, 2013 6:35:08 GMT -5
Well, thank you Temis. I had played scenario's over the summer using Wittman and Barkmann, but the were fairly straight forward because it was just them in their tanks and the whole mission revolved around them. However, Hubner was my first foray using a warrior in a normal game. Thanks for pointing it out, and I will be sure to read up on their abilities more completely before I next use them.
That being said, is anyone up for another epic tank battle of Early war proportions? I'm rearing to play again.
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Post by FaithandFire on Nov 22, 2013 8:02:15 GMT -5
If we did a rematch (or maybe just another epic tank battle - we don't need to try to match exactly our forces and the table layout) I think Mike B might be in this time.
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Post by shoey109 on Nov 22, 2013 10:59:20 GMT -5
If we did a rematch (or maybe just another epic tank battle - we don't need to try to match exactly our forces and the table layout) I think Mike B might be in this time. Agreed. A swamp table next time. Will |
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Post by antholin on Nov 22, 2013 15:12:52 GMT -5
A swamp table, that is a new one. I'll play whenever the general consensus is.
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Post by shoey109 on Nov 22, 2013 16:09:38 GMT -5
A swamp table, that is a new one. I'll play whenever the general consensus is. We can do a desert table. |
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Post by FaithandFire on Nov 23, 2013 7:35:20 GMT -5
Swamp table - every time you move a tank, roll a d6. If you roll higher than your front armor you move as normal. If not, you bog. Makes those Polish tanks worth their weight in gold, eh?
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