loupis
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Post by loupis on Oct 20, 2013 16:50:09 GMT -5
If I can get my models in time I'll probably attened have a late war German list
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Post by antholin on Oct 21, 2013 4:13:09 GMT -5
Hey all, I'm glad to see that people are interested and discussion has opened up. As Temis has already shed light on, we will have to modify the rules setup most likely, specifically the point builds. As there will probably only be about 6 players, hoping for more, but we shall see. Will has made a great table, and I'll be working on it with him in the coming weeks for our tank duels. The table will fit in the store, and we'll have plenty of terrain that we can fight on, without having to worry constantly about movement.
I personally would like to play Late War, however, I am open to suggestion and if the majority vote is for Early or Mid war, then we can certainly swing that way. I have a small amount of tanks for Early, with quite a few more for Mid, and then oodle's for Late. As long as we play, I'm happy. Let's keep the forum going with activity.
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Post by FaithandFire on Oct 21, 2013 7:08:24 GMT -5
Loupis - If you end up needing models for a late war German list just let us know. Some of us have enough stuff so we can set you up with what you need.
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Post by FaithandFire on Oct 21, 2013 7:17:29 GMT -5
Jeff - I think you just choose Early, Mid, or Late and we will fall in line with what you choose.
Early war would be fun with swarms of light tanks running around. Problem is that not everyone has a swarm of early war tanks.
As for Mid War, again not everyone has a lot of mid war tanks. If I recall correctly, those big German cats are very expensive in Mid War so you don't get many but then again not much can do them a lot of damage.
Late War may be the one for which most folks have the models and folks do like those sexy Panthers and Tigers. The problem will be finding enough suckers to play the Allies.
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Post by antholin on Oct 21, 2013 9:01:14 GMT -5
Steve,
That being said for late war, as for getting folks to play the Allies, is Mid war better balanced? Beyond the very high cost for Tiger tanks, I think the Germans would field a similar array of tanks to the Allies in Mid war. If that is the case, then perhaps I will lean more towards Mid. As of now, if we play Late, I will play as the Germans, and was planning on bringing the super steroid cats, the Jagdtiger's. However, those big cats, along with Tiger I's & II's, and the Panther, they eat up points very quickly. The Allies would field more tanks overall and be in better flanking positions.
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Post by kv1e on Oct 21, 2013 13:59:11 GMT -5
Steve, That being said for late war, as for getting folks to play the Allies, is Mid war better balanced? Beyond the very high cost for Tiger tanks, I think the Germans would field a similar array of tanks to the Allies in Mid war. If that is the case, then perhaps I will lean more towards Mid. As of now, if we play Late, I will play as the Germans, and was planning on bringing the super steroid cats, the Jagdtiger's. However, those big cats, along with Tiger I's & II's, and the Panther, they eat up points very quickly. The Allies would field more tanks overall and be in better flanking positions. We did mid war last year and the was an decisive Axis win all German players had at least some panthers and there were a couple of tigers(they all died) and a couple of Ferdinands . The problem for the Allies mid war is their best tanks like the Churchill mk IV have a an AT of 10. The only hope of the Allies was the Russian KV-85, it is slightly inferior in terms of speed, FA, AT and training to the Panther, it is better off against the Tiger but still somewhat inferior. That is why I suggested limits to FA I would say no more than FA 9 for mid war. Jeff in 6 years we have done Tanksgiving the allies have won once(Oberst von shoemaker and his King tigers was delayed by snow on the roads) All other games have been crushing Axis Wins. |
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Post by FaithandFire on Oct 21, 2013 16:16:19 GMT -5
Given the amount of forces on the board for Tanksgiving it usually devolves to a straight on shooting match. Flanking is pretty well impossible. Given any type of normal die rolling that is likely to favor the Big Cats - as Temis points out is proven by the record in past Tanksgivings.
But those big boys are an undeniable attraction and we all love to put them on the table. Heck, I wish I didn't have a Soviet heavy tank force so I could field them too!! But what fun is a glorified German on German training exercise??
So, either limit front armor (and maybe allow only one platoon over that limit?) or just let us have our annual Big Cat Safari (Bizarro World Style - the cats have the big guns!!) and us allies can drown our sorrow in pizza and beer.
Hmmm - can I bring 1500 points of Sturmoviks??
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Post by kv1e on Oct 21, 2013 16:49:16 GMT -5
Given the amount of forces on the board for Tanksgiving it usually devolves to a straight on shooting match. Flanking is pretty well impossible. Given any type of normal die rolling that is likely to favor the Big Cats - as Temis points out is proven by the record in past Tanksgivings. But those big boys are an undeniable attraction and we all love to put them on the table. Heck, I wish I didn't have a Soviet heavy tank force so I could field them too!! But what fun is a glorified German on German training exercise?? So, either limit front armor (and maybe allow only one platoon over that limit?) or just let us have our annual Big Cat Safari (Bizarro World Style - the cats have the big guns!!) and us allies can drown our sorrow in pizza and beer. Hmmm - can I bring 1500 points of Sturmoviks?? Maybe we could allow allied players to buy (out of their 1500 points) up to 1 priorty air strike per axis big cat platoon or pesky pachyderms (Elephants). No more than one air strike per platoon per turn though. Germans get normal one aircraft strike per turn(they can buy as much AA as they can afford and their list allows) Allied air superiority! |
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Post by stormbringer on Oct 21, 2013 17:41:09 GMT -5
What's the big deal with Cats? Are we talking royalty (King Kittys)? The paper to that rock for Allies is to bring Tanks Destroyers (towed or otherwise) and Fireflys, right?
BTW, I'm not sure If I can play due to the monthly Descent campaign the same day. If I can move it around, I'll bring Stugs & Panzer IVs.
Von Jeff
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Post by kv1e on Oct 21, 2013 19:37:24 GMT -5
What's the big deal with Cats? Are we talking royalty (King Kittys)? The paper to that rock for Allies is to bring Tanks Destroyers (towed or otherwise) and Fireflys, right? BTW, I'm not sure If I can play due to the monthly Descent campaign the same day. If I can move it around, I'll bring Stugs & Panzer IVs. Von Jeff The big deal is the FA of a King tiger and an Elephant 15 the best Allied AT is the Russian SU-100 AT 16, but ROF 1 and Hens and chickens . I don't have any maybe Steve does? Maybe all allied TDs lists could beat them but Only one of us has a company of them and the sheer number King Tigers would very likely over run them. The problem is that Tanksgiving takes a good deal of time per turn(I doubt that any from the past have lasted more than 5 turns) and if the Germans are at all carefull they can like likely prevent the TDs from getting into ideal postion's. |
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Post by antholin on Oct 22, 2013 6:49:56 GMT -5
All right fellow tankers,
I have put a vote out to see what the general populace wants for Tanksgiving 2013. As I said before, I am fine with whatever era we play in, just as long as we play. I have a large order of Early/Mid war tanks on the way, so I will be able to field a competitive force for any era. And since I am a merciful ruler, I will let my fellow gamer's vote. Alas, I will miss my Jagdtiger's, but they will play another day.
-Oberst Von Jeffenspiel
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Post by FaithandFire on Oct 22, 2013 6:55:08 GMT -5
In the end I think Tanksgiving is more about just getting together with a bunch of fellow gamers and blowing up stuff. The big tanks are fun - even those big Soviet ISUs with their sucky rules. "Methinks thou doest protest too much!" With all our complaining, the Allies are sure to win an overwhelming victory this time!!
How the heck did the allies win the war vs. those dreaded German Big Cats??? Oh, yeah, I forgot that not every battle was fought with an equal number of points on both sides!
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Post by antholin on Oct 22, 2013 7:50:09 GMT -5
Agreed, just getting together to toss the dice and see what the gamer gods have in store is always a ton of fun. Plus, one can never go wrong with numerous little tanks racing across the board and destroying one another. Oh yeah, its going to be great.
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Post by shoey109 on Oct 23, 2013 16:25:49 GMT -5
We can always do early war for a change and proxy the big cats as light tanks. I am going allies this year. Then again late war favors the Germans on a table that we just park and shoot with out any risk of flanking. I vote early war. Pick a list and proxy your late war models. We do it all the time.
I will assure Temis that the tables will have plenty of roads with fast movement if you so desire travel on the roads. Then again it will be risky. I will rename Main street to Temis Parkway. Do you feel the love Temis? I am missing you.
I have every thing German Late war to lend out for any body who wants a German force. We might need to make believe a king tiger as a panzer one. Time will tell.
Will
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Post by shoey109 on Oct 23, 2013 16:32:13 GMT -5
The miniature room at Triple Play will be hard pressed to fit an 18 foot table, if at all. I will bring four 8 foot tables and shrink the battle field to 16 feet. So maybe that will work. Just need you to get a measuring tape to see if a 16 foot table will work. Will |
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