FoW Invasion of Normandy

[Easy86]

I think we have all talked about doing the beach landings in remembrance of the invasion of normandy.

I wanted to propose a couple of things for it.

First, I know that I wont be available for all of june. I will be gone playing d-day for paintball the first two weekends. and then with my son one of the next two weekends.

Does any one have a problem with doing something during a weekend in july? As soon as i know when i will be available I will post.

Second, The game. My proposal is the following:
1) We follow the scenario in das book for beach assault, including all of their special rules with no exceptions.
2) Depending on the number of people we will play with two 4 x 6 tables with the 6 foot edges joined (becoming 8 x 6) with the beach zone/surf zone on the 8 foot edge.
3) The game masters (probably myself and old steve if he is willing) may use some things to spice it up a little with random events and/or special objectives like those discussed in the d-day edition of wargames illustrated.

third: This game is about having fun, if you dont think this scenario is going to be fun, no one is requiring you to play. If you dont like the scenario I am not going to force you either way. After the last scenario's discussion I think it is best that we stick with the scenario as it is written in the book.

What are your thoughts every one?

[jeremy3play]

Just one thing...by spicing it up you are changing the original mission. Maybe let's just play it right from the book and avoid anything else. That way there is no way either side can gripe (much).

[kv1e]

Apr 20, 2011 16:35:53 GMT -5 Easy86 said:

I think we have all talked about doing the beach landings in remembrance of the invasion of normandy.

I wanted to propose a couple of things for it.

First, I know that I wont be available for all of june. I will be gone playing d-day for paintball the first two weekends. and then with my son one of the next two weekends.

Does any one have a problem with doing something during a weekend in july? As soon as i know when i will be available I will post.

Second, The game. My proposal is the following:
1) We follow the scenario in das book for beach assault, including all of their special rules with no exceptions.
2) Depending on the number of people we will play with two 4 x 6 tables with the 6 foot edges joined (becoming 8 x 6) with the beach zone/surf zone on the 8 foot edge.
3) The game masters (probably myself and old steve if he is willing) may use some things to spice it up a little with random events and/or special objectives like those discussed in the d-day edition of wargames illustrated.

third: This game is about having fun, if you dont think this scenario is going to be fun, no one is requiring you to play. If you dont like the scenario I am not going to force you either way. After the last scenario's discussion I think it is best that we stick with the scenario as it is written in the book.

What are your thoughts every one?

I should point out that last year FOW for the summer ground to a halt between the end of june and the begining of September(maybe one game). Further, it is almost a lock that O'Steve and O'Mike will miss one weekend in July for Historicon(we now have 2 Steves and two Mikes) .

Further the scenario calls for a 1000 points of Germans(with delayed reserves that will need a roll of 6 to come on) and 1750 points of Allies(although only half can land in the first wave)4+ for for allied Landing craft to get loose and bring in reserves. I mention this only because an imbalance of points in the last mega battle caused a fair amount of whining from the cheap seats.
There is also a peliminary bombardment. ;D

[FaithandFire]

I really would like to be in on it. I agree with Jeremy - lets do it strictly by the book this time. We can do a mix of beach landings and paradrops. There may be some paradrop scenario for D-Day?? Problem is, as Temis mentioned, timing esp. in the summer. I probably can be counted out for the first four weekends in July.

[kv1e]

The problem is that using a 6' x8' foot table(s) you are changeing the scenario right from the start. The table will be deeper, more distance for German reserves to travel. Why not use 2 tables put together with the allies comming ashore on 8' foot side that way the depth of the table will remaign uniform with the scenario.

Also lets say we have 3 German players(on two tables) the scenario will again be changed because the defenders will have more strength than the scenario provides for.

Questions.. questions... questions...

How many teams and/or tanks can you fit on a landing Craft?

Will the defenders get one set of bunkers (see page 34 da book ) or more (assuming we use more than one table)?

Am I reading the rules for fortifiaction correctly when I assume that the Germans can only buy bunkers and nothing else with their fortification points?

[Easy86]

They are coming in from the 8 foot side of the table (the scenario uses a 4x8 played short end to short end) there was no intended change. Not to mentioned this is all goverened by the number of people that are playing too. and if we decided to do paratroopers.

The scenario calls for the allies to have over whelming force which is 75% greater strength for the allies. so if it comes to game day and there are 3 german defenders that means 3 1000 point companies/armies. then the allies will get to field 3 1750 point forces. If you read the rules and the board this is balanced for several reasons 1) the way the sea works some landing craft may never come on, so may get stuck or destroyed and cant be used again, 2) the beach is a bog for vehicles and difficult going for infantry, 3) the sea wall, has to be breached by infantry the turn after they are adjacent and not pinned, and vehicles have only the beach cause way so i am certain it will probably be fair.

I am not certain on the numer of teams, I will have to check the rules, I think it is one platoons worth, but am not certain.

Defenders will get there allotted points per table. There is a set of d-day/beach assault fortification points and a list that those points can be spent on for a certain size table edge. If one table it would be 4' table edge. to stay by the rules i believe it would be fair to say that if the rules say, for example 60 points per 4' table. then the defender gets to use 60 points on one table and 60 points on the other. Counter points/interperatations?

I will have to read das book to clarify the other points.

any other questions?

[kv1e]

landing craft can not be destroyed, they can drift or be delayed but they are not destroyed. If they are delayed they go back to sea to try again if they drift off the the table they go back to sea to try again.

But "landing craft Cannot shoot or be shot at and take no part in Assualts."(page 30)Only DD tanks die roll a 4 on the DD table and they die and I assume that German defenders can shot at them.

I am aware that that the Allies face some tough odds in comming ashore however given the stink that was raised in the last game some of the Axis players over the disparity in points I thought that it would be best to raise the issue now where the disparity is much greater . Further if the allies have average luck they should be able to do alright

[Easy86]

You make a fair point in rasing the issue, which is why this time we have every intention to stick to the scenario in the book, with the following two exceptions:

1) make the field 8x6, dependent of course on the number of players able to attend

2) add in airborn landings (If my friends here come we may be able to factor this in, otherwise I am not set on trying to fit it in)

[scorchmark]

I think this is what I want to say in response...

Bringen Sie auf, ich habe keine Angst zu sterben Für das Vaterland!

Though that may not represent the other German's ^_^

[kv1e]

Apr 22, 2011 11:43:44 GMT -5 Easy86 said:

You make a fair point in rasing the issue, which is why this time we have every intention to stick to the scenario in the book, with the following two exceptions:

1) make the field 8x6, dependent of course on the number of players able to attend

2) add in airborn landings (If my friends here come we may be able to factor this in, otherwise I am not set on trying to fit it in)

Acctually most of my American Infantry is airborne, While O' mikes LW Brits are all British Airborne

[jeremy3play]

I still say let's have no exceptions. We need to play it first the way it has been balanced before we muck it up with additional elements of game play.

[kv1e]

I was able to get the answer to my questions off the Flames of war Forum
Landing craft can carry a platoon be it an Infantry Plt with 4 teams, a tank platoon with 5 teams or a British atilller plt with 8guns, 8 prime movers, and 6 infantry teams and 6 other vehicles.

Further there is a mistake in Das book when in talks about fortification points it displays the cost of bunkers and then refers to page 47 which talks about attacks on bunkers. It should be refering to page 56 or 217 in the main rule book. So the defenders can get fortifications other than bunkers.

All this info can be gotten from the D-Day rule book

[Easy86]

Hello Everyone!

I apologize for my long absence. I was preparing for my paintball battle at Oklahoma D-Day where the Allies were to attack the entrenched germans. Numbers were low this year but the Allies stood victorious at the end of the day!!!

Temis, would you mind verifying the entrenchment rule you just mentioned on the FoW forums then post a link? I would like to look into that as well. I also want to note that there are german armies in FoW that can use defense as part of the point costs in their army lists.

I have some other updates for you:

agreeing with jeremy in his last post I have been discussion things with steve. Here is what I have so far, so that we can have a fairly accurate Invasion of Normandy Game.

1) the proposed date is Sunday 31, July, 2011

2) 4 Axis players and 4 allied players

US Airborne
British Airborne
US Landing Fleet - New Steve with the 1st ID
British Landing fleet

German Force 1
German Force 2
German Force 3
German Force 4

3) The Points
Points will be as per the games rules layed out in Das Book with no exceptions as of yet (pending input from the d-day rule books, and the d-day forums, regarding this type of game format)

4) Layout

2 rear tables set 4' end adjacent to 4' end, this creates a table that looks like 4' x 12', with each table being one of the airborne missions.

2 forward tables set with the 4' edge against the 6 foot edge of the back tables, making sure that the out side egdes line up (this would create a four foot gap between tables). These two forward tables would be the beach landings, one being british, the other being us. It should look something like this:

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Players would be able to move from the front tables to the back tables by using bridges/roads as shown [approximately] by the arrows in the above diagram.

This game is meant to re-enact the invasion of normandy and have it be fun. Some of you may not think this will be fun, I would say give it a try because this is our first year and we can make some revisions for next year. We are making every attempt to not muck with the game. I will ask my friends in Pougkeepsie how they do their game every year, lets also take a look at the d-day issue of wargaming illustrated.

Feed back Anyone?

I am looking forward to this and I will be bringing at least one player from bennington with me.

Thanks Everyone!!!

[kv1e]

Jun 27, 2011 7:46:03 GMT -5 Easy86 said:

Hello Everyone!

I apologize for my long absence. I was preparing for my paintball battle at Oklahoma D-Day where the Allies were to attack the entrenched germans. Numbers were low this year but the Allies stood victorious at the end of the day!!!

Temis, would you mind verifying the entrenchment rule you just mentioned on the FoW forums then post a link? I would like to look into that as well. I also want to note that there are german armies in FoW that can use defense as part of the point costs in their army lists.

I have some other updates for you:

agreeing with jeremy in his last post I have been discussion things with steve. Here is what I have so far, so that we can have a fairly accurate Invasion of Normandy Game.

1) the proposed date is Sunday 31, July, 2011

2) 4 Axis players and 4 allied players

US Airborne
British Airborne
US Landing Fleet - New Steve with the 1st ID
British Landing fleet

German Force 1
German Force 2
German Force 3
German Force 4

3) The Points
Points will be as per the games rules layed out in Das Book with no exceptions as of yet (pending input from the d-day rule books, and the d-day forums, regarding this type of game format)

4) Layout

2 rear tables set 4' end adjacent to 4' end, this creates a table that looks like 4' x 12', with each table being one of the airborne missions.

2 forward tables set with the 4' edge against the 6 foot edge of the back tables, making sure that the out side egdes line up (this would create a four foot gap between tables). These two forward tables would be the beach landings, one being british, the other being us. It should look something like this:

_______________________________
|........................|......................|
|......................<|>....................|
|____^__________|_______^_____|
|........^ .....|\\\\\\\\\\|......^........|
|................|//////////|.................|
|................|\\\\\\\\\\|.................|
|................|//////////|.................|
|................|\\\\\\\\\\|.................|
|__________|//////////|___________|

Players would be able to move from the front tables to the back tables by using bridges/roads as shown [approximately] by the arrows in the above diagram.

This game is meant to re-enact the invasion of normandy and have it be fun. Some of you may not think this will be fun, I would say give it a try because this is our first year and we can make some revisions for next year. We are making every attempt to not muck with the game. I will ask my friends in Pougkeepsie how they do their game every year, lets also take a look at the d-day issue of wargaming illustrated.

Feed back Anyone?

I am looking forward to this and I will be bringing at least one player from bennington with me.

Thanks Everyone!!!

Steve
There is no link two guys on the forum answered my questions and told me to look at the D-Day book. If you want to see the answers check rules question on the forum since it was over a month ago you will have go back a bit. But when you are here on Friday you can check the D-day book in the store to look at it(I did).

Further without the ruling the fortification rules for the Germans are stupid. If you look at da book p. 34 the germans are limited in Bunkers to spending 1/2 of their points. In the case of this scenario they will have 20 points of bunkers with 20 points left over and nothing they can spend it on, the rules refer a player to page 47 which are more rules fo bunkers. Rules forr

Yes some german units can buy fortications. Pioneer copanies with a supply truck get 3 free barbed wire and 1 minefield. A sturm company can buy more but the cost is pretty high(with a 1000 points I think it would be to costly)

Temis

[kv1e]

How many points do the players get on the airborne table? I don't think there is any mention in any scenario. Hit the beach if rather unique because it is one FOW scenario that does

Further your rules for the airborne scenario run the risk of unbalanceing the Whole scenario. If the germans can move from table to table then probably the smartest thing for a german player to do is screen the pars and move mobile forces to the beach table(like tanks and SP artillery) Thus German reiforcements may arrive on turn 1.

Also I have played Mikes red devils a number of times and they tend to lack the strength to stand up well against armored forces( that is Historicly correct)

Also the idea that beach forces will be able to reach the paras is sort of a farce. An Infantry platoon landing on turn 1 will be 60" from the para board. If it does nothing but march to the edge it will take it 10 turns a, a tank platoon will take 5 turns but that assumes that neither one of them will not have to spend any turns fighting. I doubt that we will get 10 turns in I think we will be lucky to get one turn in per hour(with a break for lunch say 7 turns
Oh yes I will run a brithish landing fleet
Temis