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Post by doctorclockwork on Mar 14, 2011 15:23:36 GMT -5
OFFICIAL RULING FOR ALL GAMES PLAYED AT TRIPLE PLAY IS THAT SWEEPING ADVANCE DOES NOT ALLOW WBB AT ALL
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Post by kraxxus on Mar 14, 2011 15:45:52 GMT -5
lmfao, what size font is that?
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Post by Monster Rain on Mar 14, 2011 16:15:25 GMT -5
It think it's the "Officially Sick of a Nonsensical Rules Litigation Thread" font.
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Post by kraxxus on Mar 14, 2011 16:26:36 GMT -5
It think it's the "Officially Sick of a Nonsensical Rules Litigation Thread" font. Oh your just butthurt that Games Workshop said that they should get a WBB if a res. orb is nearby... lol  (please note the playful tone and joking manner in which I type that) |
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Post by Monster Rain on Mar 14, 2011 16:41:01 GMT -5
I'm actually surprised that you took the time to call them.
You might have realized that WBB after a sweeping advance would be played the way everyone at the store, including the resident Tournament Organizer, said it was played and done something rather less pointless.
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Post by Monster Rain on Mar 14, 2011 16:43:54 GMT -5
It think it's the "Officially Sick of a Nonsensical Rules Litigation Thread" font. ... said that they should get a WBB if a res. orb is nearby... lol Considering that there would also need to be another unit of the same model within 6" or a Tomb Spyder within 12" with a unit of the same model type on the table somewhere whoever you were talking wasn't really on the ball. |
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Post by kraxxus on Mar 14, 2011 16:56:34 GMT -5
Well I didn't know I actually had to go threw the nonsensical text of writing out the standard other unit within 6" or tomb spyder within 12" to someone that posted a tactica on Necrons. Next time I'll remember that Tom thank you for that heads up.  EDIT: I can pee higher on this tree than you  lol |
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Post by Monster Rain on Mar 14, 2011 17:03:06 GMT -5
So it's my fault you didn't write what you meant?
You said they should get a WBB if there's a res orb nearby, which wouldn't be the case even if were weren't talking about Sweeping Advances. All of this is predicated on a misunderstanding of the Sweeping Advance rules in the first place, what with the whole "The destroyed unit is removed immediately. Unless otherwise specified, no save or other special rule can rescue the unit at this stage..." bit on page 40.
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Post by Monster Rain on Mar 14, 2011 17:03:41 GMT -5
EDIT: I can pee higher on this tree than you lol How proud we all are of you. |
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Post by kraxxus on Mar 14, 2011 17:32:02 GMT -5
Ah yes, BUT WBB is not preventing or saving or rescuing the Unit from the sweeping advance, just changing the outcome of it (something He got hung up on too for a min then decided that little bit i just regurgitated) That is if they were considered casualties something I asked in the first place on the forum.
Just remember I'm just going by what the guy from games workshop said after I asked him, "If a squad of warriors is caught in a sweeping advance do they get a WBB role?" and after 20mins on the phone he had given me an answer on "they would play it", not on how "we should play it at TriplePlay".
Given that information I got from the guy @ Games Workshop I thought it prudent enough to let people know and see if people wanted to "vote on it" and after 9 years of playing it one way we're sticking to that without a vote, something I'm okay with. You guys generally react worse that woman to things on this forum as a side note. When someones "wrong" you jump down their throat. Sorry you thought it was dumb for me to ask the company that makes the game rather than the people I hardly get a chance to get down to and play with on a forum that they Jokingly hate me making more posts about Necrons on even though I learn threw asking questions.
But hey what do I know, I'm just some "kid" on the otherside of the country than you that hasn't been playing the game as long as you and apparently doesn't know nothin about nothin and decided to see what Games Workshop said. Next time you're at an In-N-Out Burger let me know and Ill see about getting you a double double or something on me. Otherwise, Tom if it makes you feel better about yourself:
"Games Workshop is run by a bunch of idiots and we all love to buy and play their games."
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Post by doctorclockwork on Mar 14, 2011 17:44:22 GMT -5
Misguided rules-lawyering nonsense is not a good way to ingratiate yourself to a group of experienced players. When most people ask us a rules question, it is answered in a civil manner. Generally that person, if they are new to the game, accepts our answers because we have been playing for years.
When someone comes along and tries to dissect rules that he has hardly had actual game time with, people get annoyed. It is your attitude that bothers us, Ben. Not your lack of experience.
I want this to be the last time you bring up a rules issue that devolves to this level of inanity. 3 pages of one person relentlessly throwing common sense into the wind and defying the advice of seasoned veterans is not what we like at Triple Play. Take that to Warseer and keep it there.
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Post by RobPro on Mar 14, 2011 17:44:24 GMT -5
Look, I don't think anybody should be arguing that Necrons removed by the Sweeping Advance are gone and not eligible for WBB NO MATTER WHAT. The only issue, as I see it, that could require house rules is what to do about previously downed Necrons in the unit:
Do models in the unit that are killed in the shooting phase or in CC before the sweeping advance happens that are in the downed state during the sweeping advance get pulled with the sweep, or does WBB protect them and let them lay where they lie?
INAT rules that they get pulled with their old unit, but because INAT had to rule it does mean it is a pretty big grey area.
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Post by hardihar on Mar 14, 2011 17:44:21 GMT -5
the problem is that we have experienced the joy of asking GW rules questions. and that the customer service reps on the phone often dont really know the rules any better than joe blow from kokomo. we have seen the same question get answered totally differently multiple times within a very short period of time by the folks down there in Baltimore.
if you do want some good additional feedback i would recommend both Dakka Dakka and warseer websites. combined with reading the faqs from GW and adjusting to the meta game where you play.
Here its clear how the rule will be played at 3play and both the old time necron players and others are pretty much lined up to support that ruling.
but occasionally it is fun to watch don quixote tilting at windmills
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Post by kraxxus on Mar 14, 2011 17:59:04 GMT -5
Tony, when I ask a question I expect to get an answer that makes sense to me. If it doesn't quite make sense to me, or is something like a "cause this is how we've always done it" reason I'm going to want to dissect it and figure it out and the reasoning for it.
Because it seemed like some of us were bouncing this way or that on the topic I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask Games Workshop. My bad...
Oh and so it's on the public record people tend to get pissy when you treat their questions like a waste of time, especially considering some of us don't get a chance to ask them while in a game, or at a tourney. I'm sure had it been an in-person exchange it wouldn't have been long and drawn out and a complete waste of everyones time and probably would have looked like this:
Question?
Awnsered.
Hmm, Why? these guys said this.
Doesn't matter what they said.
Oh okay, good to know.
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Post by blodgetter on Mar 14, 2011 19:00:09 GMT -5
I still like tacos. With cheese
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lol
