8th Edition Goodies....

[khornedog]

High elves will suffer with so much emphasis on elites. Overall I am willing to give it a try. I think Daemons are still extremely good as there really are no bad choices... granted daemonettes are not as good but they have a roll at least

[hardihar]

There will be no more slots. they are going back to percentages. so you will need to fit the character and mount into 25% of your total points.

[Sterling Archer]

Well vamp armies now hve to buy a doody ton more models then they already had to lol.

[hardihar]

Well, no vamp general went to the table with out those models. because the intent was to raise them during the game. but the lose of characters will be devastating, part of the cost of the vamp army is directly related to the ability of characters to boost the other units through magic. thats why a skelly costs so much.

oh well. what i would hate to see is the incredible boredom of having to do a combat oriented Undead list as the main option, it really just duplicates what other armies do instead of having its own distinct flavor and decisions for play.

[droofus]

I dunno, 500 points is a substantial character allowance in a 2000 point game. That's a kitted lord and a hero or a modest lord and two heroes. That's still a pretty substantial magic phase for your vamps.

Also, you should consider that everyone else will struggle to stop your spells as easily, since they'll be limited to 25% as well.

[Sterling Archer]

Now let me see if I get this right. At 2000pts you have to spend 1000 on core? With the rest you can spend up to 500 on a lord choice? Same with rare heroes and special?

[droofus]

May 24, 2010 12:13:24 GMT -5 Sterling Archer said:

Now let me see if I get this right. At 2000pts you have to spend 1000 on core? With the rest you can spend up to 500 on a lord choice? Same with rare heroes and special?

Nah. Based on my understanding of the warseer rumors. You have to spend 500 and can spend up to 1000. With the rest you can spend 500 on characters (heroes and lords), 500 on rare, 500 with special.

[Sterling Archer]

Oh alright. That's not so bad. I though I was gunna have to buy a whole lot more models for my dark elves lol.

[hardihar]

May 24, 2010 12:11:43 GMT -5 droofus said:

I dunno, 500 points is a substantial character allowance in a 2000 point game. That's a kitted lord and a hero or a modest lord and two heroes. That's still a pretty substantial magic phase for your vamps.

Also, you should consider that everyone else will struggle to stop your spells as easily, since they'll be limited to 25% as well.

no its not really a substantial magic phase for an army that is designed from teh ground up to get its advantages from the magic phase. it will really depend upon how they change the rest of the magic.

but hey if becomes just like every other army to play, then alot of my fun from playing them goes away.

[Sterling Archer]

I really hope they don't streamline fantasy. I like the different playstyles of all the differen armies.

[lanky]

There's a difference between streamlining something and hacking bits off. "Streamlining" was nothing more than a wonderful excuse for why the newest Chaos Marine Codex was so horrific and became GW's euphemism of choice for "Change for the sake of change."

[droofus]

*sigh* that broken old 3rd ed chaos book keeps coming up, doesn't it? For those of us not behind the wheels of an army fielded from that monstrosity, it was necessary change. They still managed to add copious cheddar though to the new dex though, so I guess it was a failure on all counts.

Back on topic, streamlining, if it does happen, will occur during the writing of the army books, not in the basic rules.

I still think you're over-reacting, Chuck. How many points do you take in characters now?

[lanky]

May 24, 2010 14:37:23 GMT -5 droofus said:

For those of us not behind the wheels of an army fielded from that monstrosity, it was necessary change.

Says the IG, Blood Angels, and Orks player.

The real problem is that 7th Edition Fantasy is the strongest Ruleset GW has ever produced (on a main rulebook level) followed closely by 4th edition 40k (see previous parenthetical) It doesn't overly favor any particular playstyle, and has few real problems.

[doctorclockwork]

There are no cheesy armies, just cheesy players.

[doctorclockwork]

But they do tend to gravitate towards armies they can break!