40k Events for June

[discordian]

May 29, 2012 20:07:01 GMT -5 droofus said:

May 29, 2012 8:40:41 GMT -5 discordian said:

What if you want to use a superheavy that is less than 1000 points can the difference be put back into your standard unit buying?

Nope. My idea was to have the point discrepancy be the price a player pays for bringing a super heavy.

Actually, I just realized a better way to do this:

A list that has no super heavies: 3500 + 2 strategic assets
A list with super heavies: 3000 + 1 strategic assets

Oh yeah. Let the carnage begin.

Okay so why do you hate super heavies so much. The ones actually under 1000 points are actually priced pretty well, to the point that usually a equal amount of points attacking it usually kills it.

500 points and a asset (which some are far more broken ie. flank march, disruption beacon, etc..... I'd hate to give any more to give people ideas) is a pretty steep penalty.

Unless you can put them in your list for free then that seems fair considering most of the ones below 1000 points are in fact around 500 points.

[discordian]

So here’s my take on our mega battle. There will be two equal sides, it’s probably a good idea to assign teams before the game day so that it will be easier to coordinate. I see one side as the planetary defender and another as an invading space force.

The main battle will happen on a large board. This is where most of our points and players will be playing on. And they will be fighting over objectives.

Now there will be two supporting tables one for each side. A Planet Strike table, which will act like the Planetary Defenders artillery support. The other will be a Zone of Mortalis that’s a Space Ship of some kind supporting the invading space force. Both will act as fire support bombarding the main table. The opposing forces will be attacking each of these support tables in an attempt to silence the guns blowing up their allies.

Each table will award a certain amount of victory points depending conditions to be met.



Here’s a rough break down of each table for what I’m thinking.

Main Battle:

Each player will have 3000 points per normal Apocalypse rules. Unique Characters per apocalypse rules can be fielded only once per side but may be fielded on opposing sides before anyone asks if they can have 3 Vects or 3 Draigos on one side.

Each player may select one super heavy which can be bought using their allowed 3000 points. (or whatever we decide)

Each Player will be allowed to have 1 strategic asset and no restrictions on datasheets.

Any table wide effects an army possesses will only affect one 4X6 table chosen at the beginning of the game and the source producing it must be deployed on it as well. We planned to put 3 tables together, I’m just not sure how yet.

The mission type will be objectives. 4 markers will be placed evenly across the center line before the game starts, they then will scatter 2d6 to determine final placement. 2 more will be placed per normal capture and control rules. Each controlled objective at the end of the game will award one Victory Point

A secondary mission will be kill points, and it will award to the wining side 2 Victory Points.


Planet Strike:

Composed of 1 Table. Probably only 1 person per side.

Each player will be allowed 2500 points per normal Planet Strike rules.

The defender will be allowed 4 buildings to defend. These buildings combined will generate d3 missile strikes on the Main Table of any combination of darkstar or icefire warhead attacks, as per apocalypse reload (but they do not remain in play). If two of the buildings are destroyed they generate d3-1, if three d3-2, and if all then the guns are silenced.

The objective of the attacker is to destroy these 4 buildings receiving 1 Victory point per building. The defender will receive one Victory point per building left standing.

A secondary mission will be kill points, and it will award to the wining side 2 Victory Points.



Zone of Mortalis:

750-1000 points, 1 person per side. Whoever plans to play on this table needs to be fully aware of the rules before the game day.

The defender will be allowed 4 control boards. These boards combined will generate d3 missile strikes on the Main Table of any combination of darkstar or icefire warhead attacks, as per apocalypse reload (but they do not remain in play). If two of the boards are destroyed they generate d3-1, if three d3-2, and if all then the guns are silenced. These control boards can be destroyed by and enemy model making base contact with it. How these are placed should probably be decided by the people playing on it so that it’s fair for each person playing.

The objective of the attacker is to destroy these 4 boards receiving 1 victory point per board. The defender will receive one Victory Point per board left.

A secondary mission will be kill points, and it will award to the wining side 2 Victory Points.







Like I said rough break down. Feel free to elaborate.




P.S. for those that don’t have reload.

Both Darkstar and Ice fie use a 10” apocalypse template and both roll a d6 for all units underneath. They also have a rule to stay in play but I think we should ignore that part.

Darkstar: 1-2 = no effect, 3-4 = causes d6 wounds, 5-6= causes d6 wounds that ignore armour and cover.

Icefire: 1-2 = no effect, 3-4 = causes a glancing hit, 5-6= causes penetrating hit

We can play with this if anyone wants. This is just what I remember Drew bringing up to use.

[greenmtvince]

Just one issue with the Zone Mortalis side of things: an entire 750 point game can probably be completed in an hour. (Lack of cover saves and Blind Panic) Perhaps the ZM gets run as a mini-node campaign where each mission affects the main table. I'm on lunch, give me a few minutes to gen something up.

[ross]

What about planet strike strategems for the planetstrike table?

[discordian]

Theres a system already built into place for planet strike to give stragems. The number of buildings given to the defender also effects it I just dont remember exactly how it works. Although there where a few I hated if I remember correctly, the 2d6 intial airstike and the falling ship from orbit.

I think if we are going to have a planet strike game it should just operate under what little rules it has. And it has a pretty straight forward way of setting up a game, especally with my proposed objective system. This is also be one where people playing should understand how it works before agreeing to play it.

Im not a big fan of planet strike myself but it came up while we where talking so I threw it in. And it seemed to work themetically.

[ross]

The number of buildings affects the number of bombardments the number of strategem points is determined before the game starts. 3 is a good number for planet strike in my experience.

[droofus]

May 30, 2012 9:08:38 GMT -5 discordian said:

May 29, 2012 20:07:01 GMT -5 droofus said:

Nope. My idea was to have the point discrepancy be the price a player pays for bringing a super heavy.

Actually, I just realized a better way to do this:

A list that has no super heavies: 3500 + 2 strategic assets
A list with super heavies: 3000 + 1 strategic assets

Oh yeah. Let the carnage begin.

Okay so why do you hate super heavies so much. The ones actually under 1000 points are actually priced pretty well, to the point that usually a equal amount of points attacking it usually kills it.

I love super-heavies (and I'm planning on fielding one for this event), but I disagree that they are balanced for equal points of other stuff. A baneblade, for example is superior to 500 points of anything from the guard codex (except for Vendettas, but vendettas are broken as hell).

I also want to see lots of dudes on the table, and this is a way to ensure big armies as well as titans/super heavies.

500 points and a asset (which some are far more broken ie. flank march, disruption beacon, etc..... I'd hate to give any more to give people ideas) is a pretty steep penalty.

I disagree on the penalty being too steep... but you bring up a good point about strategic assets. I've seen other megabattles where flank march is banned. IMO, it is a poorly thought out ("hey guys, let's give a whole 3000 point army the ability of wolf scouts/snikrot") and unbalanced asset that is widely viewed as a "no brainer" choice. Just once, I would like to experience a game of apoc in which no one took it.

I would be in favor of banning it from this event, but I want to hear what others think.

ross: Wasn't there a white dwarf that came out with apocalypse strategic assets? Is that what you're referring to?

[greenmtvince]

So Imperial Victories go left and Xenos/Traitor Victories go right. 4 Missions played fom the ZM rules.

Maybe it works something like:
1st mission really decides attacker/defender played while main tables setup. Winner gets to call in proposed missile strikes.
2nd Mission is for the Orbital Station's Teleportarium. Winner gets to teleport D3 units per turn (any table.)
3rd Mission: Force the Breach -attacker has located the enemy's foothold on the station and is attempting to overpower their defenses. Winner can nominate 1 unit as "Without Number for the final mission"
Sabotage - Attacker attempts to eliminate key power generators controlling the stations weapon systems. Reduces the number of orbital bombardments by 1 per generator destroyed.
Final Mission:
Assault: Search and destroy, the attacker has broken through the defenders defensive perimeter and is attempting to cut off their escape from the ship. Defenders make a last stand to prevent it from becoming a total rout.
Invasion, the tides of war flow back and forth with neither side gaining a clear upper hand. Command and control breaks down and surviving units only seek to eliminate as many enemy units as possible.

Victory, if there's time remaining in the apocalypse games:
Massacre: Station fully secured with no hope of escape for the enemy. May deploy their entire ZM force via deep strike to any table.
Major Victory: Station secured, but some enemy forces escaped to the planet below. The winner may deploy 500 points and the loser 250 points to any table via deep strike.
Minor Victory: The station is secured but heavy casualties prevented an enemy retreat. Winner may deploy 250 points to any table viat deep strike and the looser may deploy 500 points.



I'd also recommend the following rules:

Attrition
Catastrophic Damage: Void Ships and Stations
Enemy Unknown (and each player gets an additional D3 decoy blips)
Reaction Fire

Each Player should also pick two Boarding Assault Strategems from IA9: The Badab War Part 1 (I have a PDF of the Strategems)

Also, if we still have the missile silo terrain or some equivalent, I think we should set it up on one of the main boards and any player in base to base contact can do some sort of damage to the ZM game.

[discordian]

May 30, 2012 13:31:54 GMT -5 ross said:

The number of buildings affects the number of bombardments the number of strategem points is determined before the game starts. 3 is a good number for planet strike in my experience.

I just checked each player gets strategem points based on the number objectives too. And I also reminded myself why I hated this book by looking at them too.

Man this book has so many typos.

[ross]

May 30, 2012 13:44:57 GMT -5 discordian said:

May 30, 2012 13:31:54 GMT -5 ross said:

The number of buildings affects the number of bombardments the number of strategem points is determined before the game starts. 3 is a good number for planet strike in my experience.

I just checked each player gets strategem points based on the number objectives too. And I also reminded myself why I hated this book by looking at them too.

Man this book has so many typos.

you just pwned me - I haven't looked in the book for a while.
droofus Planet strike has it's own strategems and that's what we are talking about.

[discordian]

Challenge accepted!

All though it really matters who goes first at the end of the day so I’m just going to compare pure shooting potential.

500 point Baneblade:

Guns
1 72 str 9 ap 2 10” ordnance blast
1 24 str 10 ap 2 ordnance large blast
2 lascannon
2 twinlinked heavy bolter
1 auto cannon

Door number 1:
480 3 manticores

Guns
3d3 24-120” str 10 ap 4 ordnance large blast

So they are armour 12 whatever. What matters is that they outrange a baneblade and in fact have more high str shoots on three different targets, that can hide, and shoot indirect because Banblade HUGE and scatter don’t matter.

3-9 str 10 shoots a turn, that roll 2 dice and pick highest to penetrate and always hit side armour. The static guaranteed 1 shoot per manitcore is enough to hurt a baneblade a turn or like anything that dosnt have a roof over its head.

Door number 2:
480 3 Deathstrike missiles

Guns
33 24-unlimted” str 10 ap 1 ordnance goofy blast size

Again don’t care about scatter so they can easily hide or just be on a table in Germany because they have unlimited range. Less shoots then the manticores but three str 10 ap1 ordnances should do the trick if not cripple the Baneblade and since its blast hits everything underneath with full str with a size of 4-6 inches its really good with collateral damage. Manticores clearly better though because they have more shoot potential, plus don’t have one shoot weapons. ….. But….. did I mention there’s a datasheet that lets you shoot vortex grenades with them instead…….. so never mind deathstrikes for the win

Door number 3:
510 3 valkyres caring 3 melta vets with two a piece.

Guns
3 lascannons that scout 24 move 12 and easily hit side amour.
Also they can be in fact flyers and scout where ever they feel like turn one. And then switch over to skimmers first turn.

6 melta guns from 3 units that can disembark from the valkyries which can easily be in your face with melta range first turn.

Plus if valkyries don’t go first they will still get cover saves from scouting or if flyer ignore almost all shooting.

Door number 4:
510 3 Medusas with bastion breachers plus camo netting to be total dicks

3 48” str 10 ap 1 shoots a turn that have a 3+ cover save if you deploy right

Not my favorite option but it was close enough to 500 to bring up

Door number 5:
465 3 Vanquishers

Guns
3 str 8 ap2 roll 2d6 to pen shoots a turn

wonderful accuracy, but outranges all but one gun on a Baneblade. And is a significant threat to front armour 14. Honestly I’m just wasting your time right now you should have read my first two doors and stopped because I probably can keep going with tons of fun random choices. LIKE DEVIL DOGS, scouting storm troopers with Melta, or that random basilisk formation that can carpet bomb a single target into china.



Guard codex, even ignoring vendettas, almost totally broke in apoc if you have the right stuff.

[commissardanno]

So, with Zone Mortalis are all the opintional rules in effect or are only a select few?

[discordian]

May 30, 2012 14:40:03 GMT -5 commissardanno said:

So, with Zone Mortalis are all the opintional rules in effect or are only a select few?

Honestly who ever gets to play on that should should just choose. Its enough removed that only the outcomes of what they accomplish matter for everyone else.

[Sterling Archer]

Something tells me I'm not going to enjoy this apocalypse game.

[discordian]

Only if you dont mind your things dieing at the rate you hope your opponets stuff will be dieing.