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Post by jeremyholiday on Jun 28, 2012 20:56:32 GMT -5
From all I have read, they are part of the basic rules now. There are charts and stuff about, who can ally with whom and to what degree.
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Post by discordian on Jun 28, 2012 21:39:42 GMT -5
Yeah its based on points. Up to 2000 you can have one standard force org plus a ally. Allies are 1 hq and 1 troop, with 1 elite, fast, and heavy as optional unit.
At 2000 and above you can have 2 standard force orgs of the parent army and up to 2 ally detachments from what I understand.
All apart of the basic rules.
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Post by hardihar on Jun 28, 2012 22:08:41 GMT -5
I would think most Tournies will flat out ban allies from the get go, at least any tourney that wants to be anything but a minmaxers wet dream will.
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Post by Sterling Archer on Jun 29, 2012 4:42:30 GMT -5
I certainly hope so chuck.
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Post by ross on Jun 29, 2012 5:39:46 GMT -5
Yeah its based on points. Up to 2000 you can have one standard force org plus a ally. Allies are 1 hq and 1 troop, with 1 elite, fast, and heavy as optional unit. At 2000 and above you can have 2 standard force orgs of the parent army and up to 2 ally detachments from what I understand. All apart of the basic rules. I have been doing some experiments and I came to the conclusion myself that 2000 points was the minimum point level when I would start to think of the points sink into allies worth it. I was really mostly of thinking of adding a BA libby with an assault squad + priest to my space wolf list. |
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Post by snickerdoodle on Jun 29, 2012 6:59:58 GMT -5
In my brain, I have been mashing together a flyer intensive list with IG Vendettas filled with vets, supported by a Stormraven with purifiers, a libby and a dread.
I can't think of to many weaknesses in a list like that.
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Post by discordian on Jun 29, 2012 7:27:30 GMT -5
Especally since at the moment the only know reliable way to get anti air in your list is to buy a stupid Megablocks building.
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Post by jeremyholiday on Jun 29, 2012 8:43:02 GMT -5
hey, I like those mega blocks buildings...
I for one, hope that there is not a trend of mass-banning of allies. In general, I think it not legit to pick and choose the basic rules that you will and will not allow in tournaments. I have always had a problem with a number of central rules in 5th edition, but they are all just part of the lay of the land. To wit, I am psyched about the new wound allocation rules.... having been super annoyed with the old ones.
I am excited about the possibilities that allies open up for me to field and to play against. I don't actually think that it allows for that much more min-maxing than in the 5th ed world.
Moreover, I am not quite sure how to put this, but if it is min-maxing that we hate (and not allies per se) why don't we just not min max?
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Post by ross on Jun 29, 2012 9:46:15 GMT -5
my necrons won't be allying as my lists really rely on having two overlords for the royal court.
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Post by discordian on Jun 29, 2012 10:08:18 GMT -5
Ross GW thought of that for you. The ally force org is in additon to the normal force org, so you'd technically have 3 hqs slots if you choose to have a ally.
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Post by ross on Jun 29, 2012 10:43:56 GMT -5
that touches my tra la la
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Post by blodgetter on Jun 29, 2012 21:11:51 GMT -5
Too celebrate the release of 6th, I hereby bequeath Psychic hoods for everyone! And will bid a fond welcome back too mass GK halberds.
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Post by jeremyholiday on Jul 1, 2012 9:22:58 GMT -5
I just finished my first read through of the new rules... I am bummed that Furious Charge is now only +1 Strength... I would trade that for the +1 Initiative.
I also think the "look at the model" answer for power weapons is just plain BAD. Different power weapons potions should be different choices in the codex with different point values.
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Post by droofus on Jul 1, 2012 10:12:22 GMT -5
I also think the "look at the model" answer for power weapons is just plain BAD. Different power weapons potions should be different choices in the codex with different point values. My expectation is that they will be once new codices start getting released. The "look at the model" thing is just a stopgap (though, IMO, a poor one) until that time. Also, they FAQed sanguinary priests to only buff units from Codex Blood Angels. Just in case anyone was getting cute ideas about giving feel no pain and furious charge to their army (coughRosscough ;D). |
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Post by discordian on Jul 1, 2012 10:50:18 GMT -5
Why would you want to give fnp to anything but th/ss.
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