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Post by discordian on Oct 18, 2013 17:24:48 GMT -5
Wait correct me if I'm wrong, but does this scenario really play out with the attacker getting 2 guaranteed shooting turns before the defender even gets to do anything normal outside of moving?
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Post by jeremyholiday on Oct 18, 2013 18:36:33 GMT -5
Looks that way... Defenders can snap fire round one, though. I would vote for removing the Surprise! special rule.
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Post by commissardanno on Oct 18, 2013 23:11:59 GMT -5
Actually I think we should keep the surprise rule. It balances out the dangerous terrain test that the Attackers will be dealing with. The Defenders will also be able to use their defense lines to protect themselves. They know what direction the enemy will be coming from and they also have all the strategic objects all in their zone of play. So the first turn of them Snap firing does work as a balance.
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Post by ross on Oct 20, 2013 14:08:41 GMT -5
Remember that the attacker doesn't start on the board too so it's not 2 full turns of shooting, more like 1.5 . Also, my experience with atk/def scenarios is that the defender always has a huge advantage for some reason.
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Post by jeremyholiday on Oct 20, 2013 21:55:43 GMT -5
If that works for everybody else... I'm fine with it.
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Post by discordian on Oct 24, 2013 7:40:51 GMT -5
That's still 2 turns of shooting against a defender that can only snap fire, even on intercept. Who is also not aloud to charge first turn either.
I will also point out this sceniero is supposed to be played with orks verses imperial guard, a army that doesn't have deep strike shooting units against a army that doesn't want to assualt. Its not a generic mission from the rules I'm reading.
I don't want to play defender and I'd feel super jerkish if I played attacker.
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Post by jeremyholiday on Oct 24, 2013 10:52:05 GMT -5
Again... I think getting rid of the surprise special rule makes it all much fairer... Defense has terrain advantage and can deploy on the board... Attacker can be gotten by full bs interceptor... Esp blast weapons... And is stuck coming on the board and can't deploy on it. Attacker does get to go first, but all of their D weaponry can't come on until turn 2.
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Post by commissardanno on Oct 24, 2013 11:57:19 GMT -5
Again... I think getting rid of the surprise special rule makes it all much fairer... Defense has terrain advantage and can deploy on the board... Attacker can be gotten by full bs interceptor... Esp blast weapons... And is stuck coming on the board and can't deploy on it. Attacker does get to go first, but all of their D weaponry can't come on until turn 2.
Those are good reasons to keep the surprise rule. In addition the attacker can't bring on their super heavies or even 4+HP vehicles till the next turn. The defender gets to deploy all their forces at that so they will be able to bring their full fire to bear on the attacker even if it is snap shots. It also fit's into the mythology of the day that this event will be happening on.
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Post by jeremyholiday on Oct 24, 2013 18:03:14 GMT -5
My priority is having an enjoyable game... and thus I am not wedded to the surprise rule. I cannot make the decision myself, though.
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Post by hdbbstephen on Oct 27, 2013 8:47:43 GMT -5
I agree with Jeremy. Shall we have a vote?
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Post by commissardanno on Oct 27, 2013 8:54:57 GMT -5
Okay then, all those in favor of keeping the surprise rule say aye.
Aye
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Post by jeremyholiday on Oct 28, 2013 14:39:18 GMT -5
nay
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Post by hdbbstephen on Oct 28, 2013 21:15:33 GMT -5
nay
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Post by commissardanno on Oct 28, 2013 21:56:24 GMT -5
Nays have it. No hard feelings about the rules argument gents? And to lighten the mood.... exterminatusnow.co.uk/ |
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Post by jeremyholiday on Oct 29, 2013 20:52:59 GMT -5
No hard feelings at all.
Are we all set then: Dan and I (Attacking) vs. Chris B. and Stephen (Defending)
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