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Post by khornedog on Feb 10, 2009 9:19:18 GMT -5
So the Rutland community is divided... Well its me versus everyone here really. (even the other dark elf player and I am not sure where antonin is)
Ok... the situation: a wizard with the book of hometh $(autocast on double) casts on doubles within 12 inches of my lord with the ring of hotek (miscast on double).
My view: a miscast ALWAYS supercedes an irreristable. The spell does not go off and the wizard must roll on the chart.
Everyones elses view: THey are both the effects of items and therefore BOTH a miscast AND irresitable force happens.
Am I totally off in my interpretation. I am wondering what the triple play community thinks.
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Post by phoenix on Feb 10, 2009 9:23:15 GMT -5
I think that both a miscast and irresistable force happens, which means only the miscast's effects occur (miscast supersedes irrisistable)
But I am interested in seeing what everyone else says, also.
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Post by khornedog on Feb 10, 2009 9:51:13 GMT -5
I forgot to make it clear in the everyone elses view in my original post that the spell does go off and then the wizard would roll on the miscast chart. This of course begs the question of what happens on a twelve.... Does the spell go off automatically twice? I still think the spell would not go off.
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Post by hardihar on Feb 10, 2009 10:00:39 GMT -5
Only 1 effect can happen as they are opposed, the only way a spell can go off on a miscast is with a 12 roll.
so i would actually either go with miscast or dice for which item wins the contest each rare time this happens. Which i think would be what GW would recommend.
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Post by droofus on Feb 10, 2009 12:23:29 GMT -5
I agree with Brian. If I was playing my high elves, that is the way I'd play it. Book of Hoeth states that if you miscast on ones, then the spell does indeed fail, no? Therefore, if you miscast on any other roll you would fail as well, in the same manner in which you would by rolling two 1s and two 6s with an unaugmented wizard. Of course, Brian would have lost his ring of hotek in my opening magic phase via a sneaky use of Ring of Corin, so it would be a moot point.  |
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Post by phoenix on Feb 10, 2009 12:59:56 GMT -5
Ring of Corin? What's that? Sounds useful.
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Post by FaithandFire on Feb 10, 2009 13:36:30 GMT -5
I would be inclined to dice it off based on the idea of rules in the codex trumping rules in the rule book.
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Post by droofus on Feb 10, 2009 15:35:40 GMT -5
Ring of Corin? What's that? Sounds useful. It's a bound Vaul unmaking. Pretty nice little item. And you can't miscast using a bound spell. ;D |
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Post by lanky on Feb 10, 2009 19:28:32 GMT -5
Edit: Ignore me, 2 hours of sleep leads to much talking out I disagree.
Re-edit: Autocensor needs to be turned off.
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Post by ross on Feb 10, 2009 21:16:30 GMT -5
usually a miscast overrides an irresistable force. I.E. when you roll 2 6s and 2 1s the miscast still happens.
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Post by khornedog on Feb 11, 2009 7:42:58 GMT -5
I appreciate everyone's input. I suppose a dice of would be in order over such a conflict. People here have decided to play it as the spell goes off and you roll on the miscast chart so I will have to deal with it here. The ring of hotek IS an extremely good object for the points (broken in fact, my heralds of tsceech whisper.) Drew, too bad the ring you speak of is one use only! It is a quality defense. However, after your wizard with the ring has blown himself up from miscasts I may not have to worry about it!  Oh yeah, I will be at triple play this saturday for league or 40k. I am on vacation next week so anyone who wants a weekday match let me know.-Brian |
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