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Post by droofus on Aug 30, 2011 9:38:14 GMT -5
So as some of you may know, the NOVA Open just took place last weekend. It was won by the same guy who won Adepticon. Anyway, I was perusing their website to see if maybe it might be something I'd be interested in going to next year and I came across their frequently asked questions pdf. I was very impressed. Nova Rules
Basically, they answer a lot of questions in a common sense manner. I LOVE the fact that they highlight the TLOS and cover save things as those are two of the most basic rules that still somehow cause a lot of consternation in tourney play. Some of the clarifications are a bit nitpicky, but by and large it is a good thing to go by. I'd go so far as to say that it might be a useful to post a condensed version of this prior to our own tourneys. Anyway, let me know what you think. |
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Post by ross on Aug 30, 2011 14:51:54 GMT -5
their manticore ruling is weird, I actually disagree completely with it. Firing directly doesn't take away the barrage rule and turn it into a blast weapon. Nowhere is there any precedent for it.
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Post by ross on Aug 30, 2011 14:53:02 GMT -5
and the kff ruling for vehicle squadrons hurts too.
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Post by droofus on Aug 30, 2011 15:37:20 GMT -5
their manticore ruling is weird, I actually disagree completely with it. Firing directly doesn't take away the barrage rule and turn it into a blast weapon. Nowhere is there any precedent for it. Odd, I think that one was pretty clear and backed up by the rulebook. You can't fire directly and expect to keep the dis/advantages of barrage at the same time. Per rulebook: unless stated otherwise, all barrage weapons have the option of firing directly as well. If you choose direct, then you follow the normal firing rules. Keep in mind that this completely different from firing indirectly at a target within LOS. It would be the same for a squad of mortars or shadow-weavers or lobbaz. KFF for vehicles is just RAW. It specifically says "vehicles within 6" treated as being obscured targets". |
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Post by ross on Aug 30, 2011 15:38:56 GMT -5
yeah the normal firing rules, meaning you minus bs from the scatter. it's still a barage
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Post by droofus on Aug 30, 2011 15:41:55 GMT -5
yeah the normal firing rules, meaning you minus bs from the scatter. it's still a barage No, that's firing indirectly with LOS. Think about it like this: Firing indirectly without LOS: use barrage rules and scatter full distance. Ignore intervening cover. Firing indirectly WITH LOS: use barrage rules and scatter distance subtracting BS. Ignore intervening cover. Firing directly: use normal firing rules. scatter distance subtracting BS. Intervening cover allows cover save. |
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Post by doctorclockwork on Aug 30, 2011 15:44:49 GMT -5
Take your deffrollaz off after showing them to the judge before the tournament? They loving lost me on this one.
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Post by droofus on Aug 30, 2011 15:47:10 GMT -5
If possible... Sadly all ours are glued on, so they will continue looking badass throughout an event :-D
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Post by ross on Aug 30, 2011 15:47:15 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure you still just scatter it once then do the flipping, regardless of LOS or not.
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Post by droofus on Aug 30, 2011 15:49:25 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure you still just scatter it once then do the flipping, regardless of LOS or not. Totally. The BS thing is just on the first scatter. |
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Post by ross on Aug 30, 2011 15:51:05 GMT -5
they said resolve it as multiple blast, so your scattering it 3 times
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Post by blodgetter on Aug 30, 2011 16:52:38 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused why they said that Warp rift rolls against the majority Initative. Since it isn't the attacking player who rolls, it's every model touched by it. A few other minor things seemed a little off as well IMO. But ah well
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Post by droofus on Aug 30, 2011 17:33:44 GMT -5
they said resolve it as multiple blast, so your scattering it 3 times Which you would do with a multiple blast weapon (executioner cannon, for example), which is what the eagle storm rockets becomes if you choose to not use the barrage rules, which is also called "firing directly". Firing Indirectly = Barrage Firing directly equals no barrage. It's a normal template weapon that makes the unit take an initiative test for each model touched. For each failed test, a model is removed. Since it is the unit making the tests and not individual models, it would make sense to use majority initiative, no? |
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Post by ross on Aug 30, 2011 17:41:53 GMT -5
I don't know drew, this faq has as many holes in it as a net. I am looking at the barrage section now and nowhere does it say it stops being a barrage if fired directly. page 32
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Post by blodgetter on Aug 30, 2011 18:02:50 GMT -5
Well, though you may be right, the way it is written it specifies that the models under the template make the test or are removed. Otherwise it should have been listed as a flamed that causes instant death?
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