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Post by khornedog on May 18, 2011 8:46:00 GMT -5
This came up at the team tournament and I was wondering how it will be handled at TP. While not a big deal it does matter to my DW.
I have a 5 man Death Wing Squad with 3 joe TH/SS, 1 TH/SS with with a cyclone, and a sgt. with TH/SS. Do you have to allocate wounds out to the sgt.?
Clearly the cyclone yes. Howeverm the sgt. has the exact same stats as the rest of the terminators. The only difference is the name. Is that enough for wound allocation?
I prefer to allocate to him but I don't think I would be a able to as he is exaclty the same stats and weapons. What do you all think?
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Post by droofus on May 18, 2011 9:49:17 GMT -5
IIRC the way it is worded is that allocation is used to wound models who are different in game terms. The sergeant is identical to the joe TH+SS in game terms and thus would be part of their wound pool and could not be allocated to separately. Of course my rulebook has been MIA since labor day, so: grain of salt.  |
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Post by ross on May 18, 2011 10:07:55 GMT -5
Off the top of my head i think Drew got it right
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Post by khornedog on May 18, 2011 10:39:53 GMT -5
Thats what I thought but I wasn't sure. Thanks!
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Post by blodgetter on May 18, 2011 13:21:01 GMT -5
Does the sgt have any special rules or alter the squad in any way? If so then he has too be allocated separately I would assume, otherwise no (which begs the question and thus my response: what's the point of him being a "Sargent" for any purpose other then allocation?)
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Post by doctorclockwork on May 18, 2011 13:52:02 GMT -5
The wording of the rule is that the sergeant, for example, would have to have different stats, special rules, wargear or weapons. Is there ANYTHING different about him?
Most sergeants have an extra attack over their squadmates? Are Deathwing the exception?
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Post by droofus on May 18, 2011 14:19:50 GMT -5
The wording of the rule is that the sergeant, for example, would have to have different stats, special rules, wargear or weapons. Is there ANYTHING different about him? Most sergeants have an extra attack over their squadmates? Are Deathwing the exception? The sergeants of terminators (as well as other space marine veterans) have identical stats to the normal troopers. You can equip them differently (indeed, they start with different equipment in tac terminators) but their stats are the same. |
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Post by doctorclockwork on May 18, 2011 14:48:00 GMT -5
Interesting. From what I can tell, if you give him the same equipment as the body bags, then he would share their wound pool.
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Post by khornedog on May 18, 2011 15:49:46 GMT -5
DW sergeants have nothing more to offer the squad in rules or statistics. It really is not a big deal. I will put him with the pool of body bags in future matches. I was just curious.
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Post by stormbringer on May 18, 2011 20:38:43 GMT -5
So if you have a 5 man squad (4 regular + Sergeant) and take 6 wounds, you could allocate 2 of those onto the Sergeant? That way, if you failed 5 out 6 saves you would still have a regular left assuming the one save was on one of the four that you rolled for the regulars?
So, which is it? Sergeant is special or no?
Jeff
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Post by droofus on May 18, 2011 20:45:35 GMT -5
The sergeant is identical to the joe TH+SS in game terms and thus would be part of their wound pool and could not be allocated to separately. This seemed to be the consensus. I.E. sergeant is NOT special unless equipped differently. |
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Post by ross on May 19, 2011 5:25:54 GMT -5
and/or has different stats as well Drew
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Post by blodgetter on May 19, 2011 12:12:11 GMT -5
Although too me it doest seem a huge deal, I would wonder if the simple fact that you CAN give him different gear etc which you can't too the rest of the squad would matter? I dunno, supose I can see it both ways. Ultimately glad that I have nothing for units that would cause the question
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Post by doctorclockwork on May 19, 2011 13:24:09 GMT -5
The line in the rulebook about wound allocation is pretty simple and pretty clear on how it works.
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Post by droofus on May 19, 2011 15:54:51 GMT -5
and/or has different stats as well Drew True. Fun fact: if the sanguinor gives his blessing to the sergeant of an assault terminator squad, then he is separate for wound allocation because his stats become different. Of course, poofy already knows this ;D |
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